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		<title>By: chas pike</title>
		<link>http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/prayer-irritating-to-god-or-requirement-for-change/comment-page-1/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>chas pike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes!  Praise Him!  
my thanks to all of you for playing today.
     chas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes!  Praise Him!<br />
my thanks to all of you for playing today.<br />
     chas.</p>
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		<title>By: Lionel Woods</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lionel Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>8) @ Charles,

I believe that means the authority (purpose, will, mission) of Jesus, much like I do with Matthew 28 and the Great Commission. I don&#039;t believe that is a literal &quot;Father, Son and Holy Spirit&quot; (you recite this as you are baptizing) but the authority of the Trinity. I think Acts shows us that baptism is into Jesus&#039;death, burial and ressurection and I also see prayer throughout the NT never mentioning &quot;in Jesus name&quot;. But that is my opinion and I am stiking with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> @ Charles,</p>
<p>I believe that means the authority (purpose, will, mission) of Jesus, much like I do with Matthew 28 and the Great Commission. I don&#8217;t believe that is a literal &#8220;Father, Son and Holy Spirit&#8221; (you recite this as you are baptizing) but the authority of the Trinity. I think Acts shows us that baptism is into Jesus&#8217;death, burial and ressurection and I also see prayer throughout the NT never mentioning &#8220;in Jesus name&#8221;. But that is my opinion and I am stiking with it.</p>
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		<title>By: chas pike</title>
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		<dc:creator>chas pike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hot chocolate, number 4 is a very good answer.  &quot; I believe intercession can be done for those God has called us to pray for (so it isn’t that He has chosen not to hear, but that He wants us to serve one another in prayer...&quot; .  yes in this divine relationship, we heed God&#039;s call, His invitation to pray.
 yes.
  and number 2, &quot;... However that still does not negate the fact that we are to pray and that sometimes we do not receive because we ask with wrong motives or with a lack of trust.(James)&quot;  some seem think that if you end a request to God with the caveat &quot;i ask this in the name of Jesus Christ&quot; that their prayers will be answered, or will come true.  like this is the mustard that makes the hot dog magic.  yes, Christ tells us that what we ask for in his name will be given to us, but...what does &quot;in his name&quot;  really mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hot chocolate, number 4 is a very good answer.  &#8221; I believe intercession can be done for those God has called us to pray for (so it isn’t that He has chosen not to hear, but that He wants us to serve one another in prayer&#8230;&#8221; .  yes in this divine relationship, we heed God&#8217;s call, His invitation to pray.<br />
 yes.<br />
  and number 2, &#8220;&#8230; However that still does not negate the fact that we are to pray and that sometimes we do not receive because we ask with wrong motives or with a lack of trust.(James)&#8221;  some seem think that if you end a request to God with the caveat &#8220;i ask this in the name of Jesus Christ&#8221; that their prayers will be answered, or will come true.  like this is the mustard that makes the hot dog magic.  yes, Christ tells us that what we ask for in his name will be given to us, but&#8230;what does &#8220;in his name&#8221;  really mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Lionel Woods</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lionel Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles,

You are a stimulating brother 8) I don&#039;t know if my answers will be correct, but I will give them a shot and we can dialogue more about them.

1. I think Job is to be a picture of a suffering servant, much like our Savior who is suffering in Gethsatame but that could be an enitrely different post :o) (we see Job interceding, bearing the falsehoods of his unfaithfulness, being rejected by his kinsmen....) Also please note, I said most often, many of the saints cried out with no physical avial and sometimes Jesus and the other writers tells us that God has not moved because we have not asked. Javetta has a good post over on her blog about the tension of the persistent wife.

2. Yes I think the Spirit intercedes on our behalf, especially in prayer, this again is why we need not worry &quot;how&quot; we pray but that we should worry &quot;if&quot; we pray. Based of of Romans 8. However that still does not negate the fact that we are to pray and that sometimes we do not receive because we ask with wrong motives or with a lack of trust.(James)

3. I think the mercy scripture is a salvific one but again that could be a different arguement.

4. I will try to group some of your last questions and sorry if they are rhetorical. I believe intercession can be done for those God has called us to pray for (so it isn&#039;t that He has chosen not to hear, but that He wants us to serve one another in prayer, much like James and Peter, did God choose not to hear James? And hear Peter? I think God was glorified in the killing of James and answering the saints prayers in reference to Peter).

Prayer is for both not either or. God is worshipped and our prayers are like a sweet aroma unto Him and prayer benefits us because we get our needs met (or our hearts transformed) by a loving Father. I think it is both.

5. Yes I believe God is to be reasoned with in prayer. We see it with Abraham, Moses and many of the OT prophets. They interceded for the people of God. Much of that is reasoning about God&#039;s glory.

6. Prayer is both. A tool to plug into our heavenly resouces and a blessing that we have the privellage to do so with a Holy God who shouldn&#039;t allow humans to even speak of Him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles,</p>
<p>You are a stimulating brother <img src='http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> I don&#8217;t know if my answers will be correct, but I will give them a shot and we can dialogue more about them.</p>
<p>1. I think Job is to be a picture of a suffering servant, much like our Savior who is suffering in Gethsatame but that could be an enitrely different post <img src='http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> ) (we see Job interceding, bearing the falsehoods of his unfaithfulness, being rejected by his kinsmen&#8230;.) Also please note, I said most often, many of the saints cried out with no physical avial and sometimes Jesus and the other writers tells us that God has not moved because we have not asked. Javetta has a good post over on her blog about the tension of the persistent wife.</p>
<p>2. Yes I think the Spirit intercedes on our behalf, especially in prayer, this again is why we need not worry &#8220;how&#8221; we pray but that we should worry &#8220;if&#8221; we pray. Based of of Romans 8. However that still does not negate the fact that we are to pray and that sometimes we do not receive because we ask with wrong motives or with a lack of trust.(James)</p>
<p>3. I think the mercy scripture is a salvific one but again that could be a different arguement.</p>
<p>4. I will try to group some of your last questions and sorry if they are rhetorical. I believe intercession can be done for those God has called us to pray for (so it isn&#8217;t that He has chosen not to hear, but that He wants us to serve one another in prayer, much like James and Peter, did God choose not to hear James? And hear Peter? I think God was glorified in the killing of James and answering the saints prayers in reference to Peter).</p>
<p>Prayer is for both not either or. God is worshipped and our prayers are like a sweet aroma unto Him and prayer benefits us because we get our needs met (or our hearts transformed) by a loving Father. I think it is both.</p>
<p>5. Yes I believe God is to be reasoned with in prayer. We see it with Abraham, Moses and many of the OT prophets. They interceded for the people of God. Much of that is reasoning about God&#8217;s glory.</p>
<p>6. Prayer is both. A tool to plug into our heavenly resouces and a blessing that we have the privellage to do so with a Holy God who shouldn&#8217;t allow humans to even speak of Him.</p>
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		<title>By: chas pike</title>
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		<dc:creator>chas pike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hot chocolate, i do appreciate the response, the model of the jews and the greeks, and the hypothetical about he who feels he is self sufficient.  i don&#039;t exactly think that i was speaking of the ones who feel they do not need Christ, although they are suffering to be sure.  as far as &quot;... God moves on the behalf of those who come to Him more quickly and more often than those who don’t.&quot;  i have to then wonder about the travails of job, who surely sought God.  i also have to consider this quote from the super apostle: &quot;Rom 9:15 (NIV) ...&quot;I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.&quot; 
     what of Jesus?  &quot;Who also makes intercession for us.&quot; –Romans 8:34&quot;. does not Christ already intercede on our behalf? 
  is the purpose of intercessory prayer to petition the lord on behalf of those he chooses not to hear?  are the healing acts of God done to solicit worship?  are prayer and worship done for the benefit of God, or for the benefit of the one who prays?
     when abram intercedes, he bargains and reasons with God.  are we to then assume that God is one who will be bargained and reasoned with in prayer?
is prayer a tool or a blessing?
    thank you for your consideration, and i love your platform and forum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hot chocolate, i do appreciate the response, the model of the jews and the greeks, and the hypothetical about he who feels he is self sufficient.  i don&#8217;t exactly think that i was speaking of the ones who feel they do not need Christ, although they are suffering to be sure.  as far as &#8220;&#8230; God moves on the behalf of those who come to Him more quickly and more often than those who don’t.&#8221;  i have to then wonder about the travails of job, who surely sought God.  i also have to consider this quote from the super apostle: &#8220;Rom 9:15 (NIV) &#8230;&#8221;I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.&#8221;<br />
     what of Jesus?  &#8220;Who also makes intercession for us.&#8221; –Romans 8:34&#8243;. does not Christ already intercede on our behalf?<br />
  is the purpose of intercessory prayer to petition the lord on behalf of those he chooses not to hear?  are the healing acts of God done to solicit worship?  are prayer and worship done for the benefit of God, or for the benefit of the one who prays?<br />
     when abram intercedes, he bargains and reasons with God.  are we to then assume that God is one who will be bargained and reasoned with in prayer?<br />
is prayer a tool or a blessing?<br />
    thank you for your consideration, and i love your platform and forum.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Javetta and Hutch,

I remember wrting somethinf on facebook that reflected the point that if we prayed on a everyday basis like we do when we are in need what a difference it would make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Javetta and Hutch,</p>
<p>I remember wrting somethinf on facebook that reflected the point that if we prayed on a everyday basis like we do when we are in need what a difference it would make.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is where the sovereignty of God comes in to play with a boom. At the end of the day the true intent of the prayer is only known by God. Though I believe that many use intercession to feed their &quot;God complex.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is where the sovereignty of God comes in to play with a boom. At the end of the day the true intent of the prayer is only known by God. Though I believe that many use intercession to feed their &#8220;God complex.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lionel Woods</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lionel Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pike,

I think &quot;favors&quot; would be too strong of a word; however, I do believe that God moves on the behalf of those who come to Him more quickly and more often than those who don&#039;t. We have to agree that humans are innately self-sufficient. This is why both the Jews and the Greeks (as Paul categorizes them) see the cross as foolishness. The Jew has the law the Greek his wisdom thus why do they need anybody to do anything for them? We even see this in the prayer of the Tax Collector and Pharissee. 

Because of this self-sufficiency often times man will not turn to God as a child with humble depency and because of this they try to &quot;pull themselves up by their boot straps&quot; and miss the &quot;favor&quot; of God. This is where prayer becomes critical. 

As it relates to supplication I think it could be a little of both for the ultimate purpose of God being worshipped. I pray for someone, God hears and moves, that person finds out what God has done he/she worships God and so do I, I get the reward of being used by God that person gets the reward of having their suffering relieved and God is worshipped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pike,</p>
<p>I think &#8220;favors&#8221; would be too strong of a word; however, I do believe that God moves on the behalf of those who come to Him more quickly and more often than those who don&#8217;t. We have to agree that humans are innately self-sufficient. This is why both the Jews and the Greeks (as Paul categorizes them) see the cross as foolishness. The Jew has the law the Greek his wisdom thus why do they need anybody to do anything for them? We even see this in the prayer of the Tax Collector and Pharissee. </p>
<p>Because of this self-sufficiency often times man will not turn to God as a child with humble depency and because of this they try to &#8220;pull themselves up by their boot straps&#8221; and miss the &#8220;favor&#8221; of God. This is where prayer becomes critical. </p>
<p>As it relates to supplication I think it could be a little of both for the ultimate purpose of God being worshipped. I pray for someone, God hears and moves, that person finds out what God has done he/she worships God and so do I, I get the reward of being used by God that person gets the reward of having their suffering relieved and God is worshipped.</p>
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		<title>By: Hutch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hutch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian-

Thank you for this post.

I really liked this: He goes from giving the process of prayer, to telling them not to be so consumed with the very things you receive. He concludes with making your primary focus the seeking of the Kingdom of God. Nestled within that seeking you find that God will address your personal needs.

I struggle with prayer. I recently read a book called The Power of Praying Together, Experiencing Christ Obviously Present and Actively in Charge. I long to see that premise become a reality in my life and the life of those I fellowship and share Christ with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian-</p>
<p>Thank you for this post.</p>
<p>I really liked this: He goes from giving the process of prayer, to telling them not to be so consumed with the very things you receive. He concludes with making your primary focus the seeking of the Kingdom of God. Nestled within that seeking you find that God will address your personal needs.</p>
<p>I struggle with prayer. I recently read a book called The Power of Praying Together, Experiencing Christ Obviously Present and Actively in Charge. I long to see that premise become a reality in my life and the life of those I fellowship and share Christ with.</p>
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		<title>By: chas pike</title>
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		<dc:creator>chas pike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on the topic of  prayer intercession:  does this inform us that God favors the one who prays over the one who suffers?    when God answers an intercessionary prayer, is it done out of the desire to relieve suffering, or to reward the one who prays?  is the prayer of one who is suffering less than the prayer of one who prays for one who is suffering?  can one who is not suffering &quot;supplicate&quot; themselves more than one who is suffering?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on the topic of  prayer intercession:  does this inform us that God favors the one who prays over the one who suffers?    when God answers an intercessionary prayer, is it done out of the desire to relieve suffering, or to reward the one who prays?  is the prayer of one who is suffering less than the prayer of one who prays for one who is suffering?  can one who is not suffering &#8220;supplicate&#8221; themselves more than one who is suffering?</p>
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