Comments on: Authority to be sheep in the midst of wolves http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/authority-to-be-sheep-in-the-midst-of-wolves/ Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:40:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: chas pike http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/authority-to-be-sheep-in-the-midst-of-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-179 chas pike Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:45:10 +0000 http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/?p=95#comment-179 what is spiritual powers of evil in heavenly realms? what is spiritual powers of evil in heavenly realms?

]]> By: Joy http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/authority-to-be-sheep-in-the-midst-of-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-177 Joy Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:46:05 +0000 http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/?p=95#comment-177 Hutch, Thirty six pair! So it was not just the apostles. Jesus said he specifically gave them authority over the serpents, etc. to go ahead of Him where He was about to go in a kind of a reconnaissance manner. Again it was for that specific event. Paul, as one of the apostles was also given that authority? But still, only for that time. Steve, Thanks for that reference to Collosians. Paul does remnd us (Eph. 6:12) that our primary battle is not against "flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places". Unlike before Christ, we now have the help of the Holy Spirit to fight against them, so they should have no power over us who pray for help. I had read the Colossians 2:15 reference to mean that they will not win because of the judgement to come that has been pre-determined by the cross of Christ. Though we continue to fight them, in the end their fate is sealed. We interpret that scripture differently, but we agree on how it all ends. :) Hutch,
Thirty six pair! So it was not just the apostles. Jesus said he specifically gave them authority over the serpents, etc. to go ahead of Him where He was about to go in a kind of a reconnaissance manner. Again it was for that specific event. Paul, as one of the apostles was also given that authority? But still, only for that time.

Steve,
Thanks for that reference to Collosians. Paul does remnd us (Eph. 6:12) that our primary battle is not against “flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places”.

Unlike before Christ, we now have the help of the Holy Spirit to fight against them, so they should have no power over us who pray for help.

I had read the Colossians 2:15 reference to mean that they will not win because of the judgement to come that has been pre-determined by the cross of Christ. Though we continue to fight them, in the end their fate is sealed.

We interpret that scripture differently, but we agree on how it all ends. :)

]]> By: Alan Knox http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/authority-to-be-sheep-in-the-midst-of-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-175 Alan Knox Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:15:10 +0000 http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/?p=95#comment-175 Joy, I wasn't questioning whether or not you believed in the miracles described in Scripture. I was just pointing out that according to Irenaeus, the same kinds of miracles were still taking place 100 years after the death of the apostles. -Alan Joy,

I wasn’t questioning whether or not you believed in the miracles described in Scripture. I was just pointing out that according to Irenaeus, the same kinds of miracles were still taking place 100 years after the death of the apostles.

-Alan

]]> By: Steve Scott http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/authority-to-be-sheep-in-the-midst-of-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-174 Steve Scott Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:51:26 +0000 http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/?p=95#comment-174 Regarding Joy's questions - specifically about the casting out of demons. Jesus said that He saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning, and Colossians tells us that the principalities and powers have been disarmed. Many demons were cast out of people by Jesus and the disciples. If their power has been drastically diminished as a result of the power of Christ, then I'm of the opinion that demon possession is not as widespread as it was back then. Regarding Joy’s questions – specifically about the casting out of demons. Jesus said that He saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning, and Colossians tells us that the principalities and powers have been disarmed. Many demons were cast out of people by Jesus and the disciples. If their power has been drastically diminished as a result of the power of Christ, then I’m of the opinion that demon possession is not as widespread as it was back then.

]]> By: Javetta http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/authority-to-be-sheep-in-the-midst-of-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-173 Javetta Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:10:59 +0000 http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/?p=95#comment-173 Joy- LOL! I'm FAR from a seminary student myself. Picked up the terms in a book I read a few years ago. Hutch- Thanks for pointing that out. I forgot about the 72 :) Joy-
LOL! I’m FAR from a seminary student myself. Picked up the terms in a book I read a few years ago.

Hutch-
Thanks for pointing that out. I forgot about the 72 :)

]]> By: Hutch http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/authority-to-be-sheep-in-the-midst-of-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-169 Hutch Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:59:08 +0000 http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/?p=95#comment-169 Oops make that Luke 10:1-17 . Oops make that Luke 10:1-17 .

]]> By: Hutch http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/authority-to-be-sheep-in-the-midst-of-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-168 Hutch Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:57:44 +0000 http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/?p=95#comment-168 Javetta- The seventy-two in Mark 10:1-17 had authority over demons in Jesus name...they said even the demons submit to us in your name, indicating they may have performed the same ministry/miracles when preaching the Kingdom as the 12 did. Javetta-

The seventy-two in Mark 10:1-17 had authority over demons in Jesus name…they said even the demons submit to us in your name, indicating they may have performed the same ministry/miracles when preaching the Kingdom as the 12 did.

]]> By: chas pike http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/authority-to-be-sheep-in-the-midst-of-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-166 chas pike Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:20:21 +0000 http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/?p=95#comment-166 hi joy, the image of the saying is to open the quotation like a suitcase and take out the different things that are in there and examine them. kind of like airport security, lol. hi joy, the image of the saying is to open the quotation like a suitcase and take out the different things that are in there and examine them. kind of like airport security, lol.

]]> By: Joy http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/authority-to-be-sheep-in-the-midst-of-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-165 Joy Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:08:47 +0000 http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/?p=95#comment-165 Javetta, Thank you for responding. I am not a seminary student and I am not familiar with the terms "cessationism and continuationism". I can guess that they must be names for schools of thought on whether those miracles ceased or continued? I didn’t know there was such a thing! Now I’m going to have to stick myself in a category! :) Alan, I do believe and do not need proof that miracles that occurred in the NT really happened. But I haven't seen any miraculous physical healings or resurrections in the church today. Have you? I think they must have ended with the apostles. We have the HELP of the Holy Spirit but not the authority? Thus the particular command given in Matthew 10:7 was given only to the apostles? He, of course, gave us ALL commands in other passages, but my questions pertain to this passage. Jesus said to the apostles, according to John 20:29 "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed". Those in the NT era would have probably not believed without the physical miracles. I think God chose to heal and cast our demons for those who would believe because of it. OT prophecy said the messiah would do that so they believed he was the messiah. The apostles were not Christ, but did the same physical miracles and attested that their power came from him. Perhaps that is why they were performed. We also know that the spiritual which is eternal is to be emphasized over the physical which is temporal. And as I said, there is evidence of the supernatural today in the changed spiritual lives of converts. The healing and resurrection of our sick or dead spirit is miraculous, but it is spiritual. Today, because we have the New Testament, we do not need to see in order to believe that Jesus is the Christ? What about the other questions? Does demon possession still occur today? What do you mean by those who do not deserve it? Does it apply today, that when one accepts pay for proclaiming the gospel, he is disobeying Christ or did that only apply to the apostles? No one really wants to touch that one do they? Thank you to all of you for helping me in my seeking clarification. It is much appreciated. Chas What does it mean “unpack this for me”? That’s another expression that is new to me. Javetta,
Thank you for responding. I am not a seminary student and I am not familiar with the terms “cessationism and continuationism”. I can guess that they must be names for schools of thought on whether those miracles ceased or continued? I didn’t know there was such a thing! Now I’m going to have to stick myself in a category! :)

Alan,
I do believe and do not need proof that miracles that occurred in the NT really happened. But I haven’t seen any miraculous physical healings or resurrections in the church today. Have you? I think they must have ended with the apostles. We have the HELP of the Holy Spirit but not the authority? Thus the particular command given in Matthew 10:7 was given only to the apostles? He, of course, gave us ALL commands in other passages, but my questions pertain to this passage.

Jesus said to the apostles, according to John 20:29 “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed”. Those in the NT era would have probably not believed without the physical miracles. I think God chose to heal and cast our demons for those who would believe because of it. OT prophecy said the messiah would do that so they believed he was the messiah. The apostles were not Christ, but did the same physical miracles and attested that their power came from him. Perhaps that is why they were performed.

We also know that the spiritual which is eternal is to be emphasized over the physical which is temporal. And as I said, there is evidence of the supernatural today in the changed spiritual lives of converts. The healing and resurrection of our sick or dead spirit is miraculous, but it is spiritual. Today, because we have the New Testament, we do not need to see in order to believe that Jesus is the Christ?

What about the other questions? Does demon possession still occur today? What do you mean by those who do not deserve it? Does it apply today, that when one accepts pay for proclaiming the gospel, he is disobeying Christ or did that only apply to the apostles? No one really wants to touch that one do they?

Thank you to all of you for helping me in my seeking clarification. It is much appreciated.

Chas
What does it mean “unpack this for me”? That’s another expression that is new to me.

]]> By: Javetta http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/authority-to-be-sheep-in-the-midst-of-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-162 Javetta Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:09:45 +0000 http://stepthruthescriptures.lionelwoods.net/?p=95#comment-162 That's great insight Alan. When I said "fall away" I didn't mean to die out completely. I just meant they died down. I am not fully convinced that miracles have ceased as I have read of some and heard some eyewitness accounts. But none of us can deny that it is certainly not happening with the ferocity or frequency that it did in Scripture. Especiall not in the U.S. That’s great insight Alan. When I said “fall away” I didn’t mean to die out completely. I just meant they died down. I am not fully convinced that miracles have ceased as I have read of some and heard some eyewitness accounts. But none of us can deny that it is certainly not happening with the ferocity or frequency that it did in Scripture. Especiall not in the U.S.

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